Sliders Show Bible

Date: 5/31/2000
From: SpaceTime

I live across the street from Marc Zicree's old office and I went over there to talk to his assistant the other day and ended up with the show bible for "Sliders." I could have gotten the bible for the entire show's run, but after taking a look at what they did, I left the season four and five ones, as they are little more than the synopses that went out in press kits.

The first three seasons are a little more intereting. It's long - really long. The first two and a half seasons have a fairly good attention to detail, with a plot synopsis, a list of doubles of the principle actors, time spent on each world and a list of details similar to what you'd find in the episode capsules written by myself and Expert.

I think the most interesting feature about the show bible is that the last 100 pages or so are nothing more than printouts of Ed Hall's old Earth Prime web site and Nigel Mitchell's Technical Manual for Sliding. Marc's assistant told me the guy they hired before Jeremy Smith (the author of the bible for the first three seasons) basically built the entire bible around fan sites so they fired him. He also told me a lot of really funny stuff about Peckinpah (he was Peck's assistant during season 3) and about Charlie. I'm gonna head over there again soon as it literally is two blocks from my apartment and Tom seemed interested in Layme Duck for their new web site :). I'll post the Peck/Charlie stuff here and on EP when I get a chance.

- ST

Woo Hoo! What a find!

Date: 5/31/2000
From: EustiSlider

Thanks for sharing.

--Eusti

That's interesting...

Date: 5/31/2000
From: QBall79

...especialy since I'm sure I heard Bob and/or Tracy say there was no show bible in the first two seasons.

Q-Ball79
http://www.slidersweb.net/

Space, you're my new hero!

Date: 5/31/2000
From: Brand_S

But you were my old hero too, so nothing's really changed!

S

I take that back...

Date: 5/31/2000
From: QBall79

I think it may have been Marc Scott Zicree who said it.

Q-Ball79

Nice find man! It pays to live in LA

Date: 5/31/2000
From: Sabre_Edge

First a Clevant Derricks exclusive, then a Slider's Bible!
What's next, the Easy Slider motorcyle? Remmy's Caddy? ;)

Can't wait till you post some of the info on EP.
Good Grab, Matt.

SE

Actually...

Date: 5/31/2000
From: SpaceTime

Rembrandt's Cadillac from Sliders is sitting on the Universal lot collecting dust. Amazingly, the one from "Dust" is the same one seen in the Pilot and in "The King is Back!"

- ST

Cool-Can't wait to hear more<end>

Date: 5/31/2000
From: jerry_o_who

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Cool! Good job matt!! <end>

Date: 5/31/2000
From: Vance454

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Always love this...

Date: 5/31/2000
From: TemporalFlux

How did Matt do it? He coat-tailed off somebody *again*. If I had not been talking with Marc for quite some time now, Marc would have never sold anything on Ebay...and thus, Matt wouldn't even be talking with him. I'm the person who even brought up the damn show bible to Marc and made him remember it (because he's sending me one), yet Matt runs in for the glory with the board. Matt didn't even *know* there was a show bible until I brought it up.

Is any of my work on this mentioned? Of course not...would kind of make it look like Matt did crap, wouldn't it? I opened the door and Matt the greedy little puppy ran in to get the kibble as always.

Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com

Excuse me?!

Date: 5/31/2000
From: SpaceTime

Hey Tf, way to go blow off your stack for absolutely no reason!

Incredible.

I found this guy Tom from an eBay auction completely unrelated to anything Marc Zicree has put up on the internet. You see, I was looking for an autographed copy of the Pilot that Tom had advertised on eBay and when I found out he worked near my apartment I *walked* over to the building and talked to him. It just happened to be a weird coincidence that while sitting on the floor rummaging through a stack of scripts I found one of the photocopies of the Sliders Show Bibles. Then I noticed two things that made me surmise that the guy I was talking to was Marc Zicree's old assistant Tom - a) the lifesize Pagliacci cutout from eBay was IN THE ROOM, and b) he uses Marc's AOL account.

What the hell does this have to do with anything? Even if I had never corresponded with Zicree the ONE time I asked him about the Pagliacci doll (i.e. were there any more, could I get the scene outtakes on tape in a separate auction?), I still would have ended up in the fucking office sitting on the fucking floor discovering a stack of Sliders Bibles. And I'd still have the Bible now and I still would have reported that I picked it up. And you would have still blown up at me for no reason.

I didn't coat-tail off of anyone, you ass. It happened to be a cool coincidence. But, oooooh! I got a quick scoop before you, TF! Shit! Alert the Sliders Cavalry! And despite what you think, it wasn't MSZ who had the bibles. It was TOM. Tom was Peck's assistant and grabbed a shit load of stuff when Peck's development deal with Universal went bust. It was Tom who let me have it because Tom made the copies and the master belonged to Tom. Actually, the MASTER belongs to ME now, and you're getting the photocopy.

I'm not "running in for the glory of the board." I got a cool trinket and you and QBall have done a bang-up job of making me wonder why I don't turn into every other Sliders collector - someone who hordes their collectibles and doesn't share them with anyone.

If, say, BobFuckwad, who's never been to this board had been in the same position as me, would he have gotten the same ridiculous, icy missive from you? No. But because SpaceTime's involved, there's gotta be some stupid hidden agenda where I'm out to steal someone's thunder and fuck with the board.

Eat me.

- ST

regardless who made the find, it proves

Date: 5/31/2000
From: cc_deville

that TRACY TORME and his close knit crew were genious's when it came to SLIDERS, they had a roadmap, a well thought out plan, set up with details.

Then we have poo-poo PECK, who guided his involvements with SLIDERS 'off the cuff'.

I can't wait to find out more!

cc

Agreed, CC. [NIM]

Date: 5/31/2000
From: SpaceTime

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Right back at ya, "bud"

Date: 5/31/2000
From: TemporalFlux

Seeing as how everything else you've done is off the coat-tails of another...what should I expect? QBall79 made the campaign that even alerted Cleavant there was an interest for a CD...yet you talking to Cleavant was something you did on your own. Cleavant wouldn't have even been there without the CD...yet in another thread you now lambast QBall for some petty reason. Same with Torme'...you got the address thanks to QBall79 giving it to RealmKeeper (you directly told me that on AIM...the "friend" fell through). Just look at your site...you've got ep capsules thanks to stealing from Expert...using Paul Jennings, Chaser9, myself, Blinker and a myraid of others on Earth 211...hell, the new feature on Earth Prime was even stolen from Porn site.

You are notorious for riding off of other people...it's your stock in trade. Most people here know it.

So I tell ya what...throw a little tantrum all you want. All it proves is the fact that I'm right...otherwise it wouldn't bother you.

And yes...given the amount of times you've lied to me, I find your story a little hard to believe. Especially since you've never been known to hunt people down off Ebay...you only recently found out about the bible from me...and you've been pursuing Marc on AIM trying to get items while asking me questions and leeching as you always do. Given the fact that you are a notorious liar...that you live to lie...what am I to believe? Oh yeah...at least I have that favor you wanted to give to me by not bidding on that auction to show you are truthful and trustworthy. Whoops...you lied on that one too for no reason and bid several times. I wouldn't have minded you bidding...I never ask people not to. But you offered as a favor because you were a "friend" and didn't want to drive up the price for me...and it was all nothing but a lie. Just like always.

Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com

????

Date: 5/31/2000
From: darkslider

Every time some new piece of info comes out, it seems to cause a battle royale between the regulars. So, I must ask: Why the competition? The information is for the betterment of all, not a way to prove whose balls are bigger. Mainly because, and let's face it boys, we ALL KNOW who has the biggest. That's right, Poppa.

The need to fight this out is...well as silly as Qball79's idea to use the "taste test" method to determine the highest quality of sperm in the bank. Let's just GIVE the info. Who cares where it came from, who go it first, or how much knob had to be sucked in order to achieve it. The point is that we GET it. Bottom line: the info is not something that gives power to a few. The info is to INFORM the masses and keep us up to date.

-darkslider

 

Then why

Date: 5/31/2000
From: TemporalFlux

Has Matt used it that way? He constantly has..."Look what I did! Look what I did!" He doesn't give information...even this post is more a bragging contest about a new job for him and where he lives than information. You know it just as much as anyone else.

All this shit about "Who's Poppa?" "Who's the god?" "Who's got the best site?" that you and Matt constantly yammer about is giving information? Sure...whatever you believe.

Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com

Nothing changes

Date: 5/31/2000
From: SpaceTime

Yeah, dude, bragging rights are what I am *ALL* about.

Look, I've never made a claim that my site is a bastion of originality. I have given a shout-out to every contributor to my site on the "About EP" page since its inception. I sought out Paul Jennings, Chris Deaver and Jon Hammer for contributions which they gladly provided. Earth 211 is a collaboration. Have I ever said otherwise?! I give credit where credit is due. I even give you high praise on my site just for being a good source of information and a fixture in the Sliders community! I'd always envisioned EARTHPRIME to be a true collaboration of Sliders fans to create a site for the fans. A few people that worked on it but the work is no longer up include Blinker and Prime Oracle Grommitt (the first guy to get an online Q&A with MSZ, as far as I know). Both worked on the Travelogue that is being renovated right now. Everything is a collaboration. Don't even TRY to suggest that I've hogged all the glory for myself.

QBall could have pressed the Cleavant CDs with his ASS, for all I care. All I know is that Cleavant came to a mall to sign autographs and I got a chance to talk about it. I posted an article about it as soon as I had written it! How is this "riding someone's coattails?" It's good to know that you are assuming the conclusion that Cleavant's appearance at Collector's Guide to the Galaxy is entirely the work of QBall's CD campaign, even though AT THE SIGNING both Portia and Cleavant said it was because they wanted to get out and meet some fans for the first time. I lambaste QBall in a successive topic because he believes he is God's gift to the BBoard. I truly believed you were above hogging the limelight. I guess I was wrong.

This "tantrum," as you call it, is my instinctual reaction to your blatant TANTRUM about me posting some details about the show's Bible. And get this, you are wrong, just like you were wrong to assume I was lying about the Tormé chat. Given the amount of times you've jumped to conclusions and assumed I was lying, since I'm *such* a notorious liar, I would think you would believe me this time around seeing as, again, I have nothing to gain. And where the fuck does it say I can't be happy that someone might be interested in hiring me, as well as where I live? It's exciting news, and again, if anyone else posted this shit it would not even be an issue. But, oh, Matt wrote that he has an interesting job prospect that was the result of an accidental find of a Sliders Bible! WHAT A FUCKING ASSHOLE. HOW DARE HE TELL PEOPLE ABOUT HIS LIFE. THIS IS A SLIDERS BULLETIN BOARD.

Hey, just like the Tracy Tormé chat, you can derive any conclusion you want from the facts at hand. I am not lying, I do not live to lie, just like I don't live to fuck with this board or deceive those who post here.

One last thing: what do you even care about the Pagliacci doll? You didn't bid on it, unless you're using a false email address from Australia. I told you I changed my mind after I made a couple hundred extra bucks. Your distrustful nature gets the best of you again. Like I said when you insinuated I was a liar on Instant Messenger, "DON'T BE SO FUCKING PARANOID."

Is this how you treat a friend? Or is this you oh-so-subtle way of saying you are not my friend. Lemme give you a little quote to an email I wrote you a ways back... maybe it'll jog your memory:

> Don't try to be my friend. Either be my friend or
> don't be my friend. That's like saying you're
> trying to love them. You either do or you don't.
> You either like me or not. You can't have middle
> ground. That's silly. You *are* my friend.

Act like a fucking friend and give me the benefit of the doubt. At least once, so I can see what it feels like.

- ST

you son of a ---

Date: 5/31/2000
From: darkslider

Listen up, you backwater alligator rapist:

AGAIN your ego gets the BEST of you. Is your life THAT empty that you need to make yourself involved with EVERYTHING I say?? JESUS! I made ZERO mention of any names. It, like your intelligence and genetic makeup, was a BASIC general statment. Something YOUR GODDAM ego couldn't handle,as you are "master of this universe". This is the same shit you pulled with the CHAT. YOUR GODDAM ego, which is bigger than that piece of lint in your underwear you call a DICK, is offended and seeks blood. Why? Becuase Tf HAS to be the King. Since every third grader in your city beats the hell out of you on a daily basis, you have to manifest some sort of control in some other medium. Why? Becuase if you didn't, you'd have to face the fact that you are just another person. God forbid, Tf should be someone who isn't the one giving info, or having some upoper hand on teh rest of us. You and that haircut of yours makes me sick.

You have no friends, but only peons you dismiss when they no longer suit you. That's why you attack me. My friendship is worth as much as you are in real life right now--right underneath the importance of a retarded ice cream man. Well, I hope this bit of "integrity" you have is worth it. Lord knows how "noble" you are. You've certainly proved both to me.

Bottom Line: I was being civil, something that seems to be out of your GRASP. Then again, it seems to join one of the many things out of your sub-par intelligence, you NARCALEPTIC BUSH BABY. Like the concept of true frindship and the ability to tie one's shoes just to name a few.

I hope this was worth it, because you are have truly shown who you are here to me.

-darkslider

That's what I love

Date: 5/31/2000
From: TemporalFlux

This is an Executive comment from back there. You told me you wouldn't bid on it since I was...then "changed your mind" without telling me. Is that me being paranoid or is that you going back on what you said? Either you were not bidding on it out of a courtesy to me which extended on your own, or you were bidding on it no matter what. You told me one thing...you did another. That's not paranoia...that's a lie no matter what you "came into". And I DARE the person to tell me otherwise. I ended up not bothering with it because you are such an Ebay moron that you drove the price up to this un-godly level for no reason. Why? Because you got in a pissing contest with the Aussie 3 days before the auction was up. Again...that's your right. Not too damn smart (the norm for you)...but your right.

As for "shouting out"...that is the largest amount of bull shit I've ever seen in my life. You only started giving real credit to Expert with this last update after I and many others had HOUNDED you for YEARS. You're playing off people who weren't here and don't know better again...and also those who are too damn clueless to pay attention. Blinker has told me of your conversations as have many others...you don't want an all encompassing website for the fans...you want it so you get all the credit. Anyone who's talked with you with their brain turned on knows this...though they seldom have the backbone to step forward and say anything.

The point is...according to you, you never have anything to gain by your lies. You're scum...a talentless shell of a man who is nothing more than a perpetual braggart. Everything you've done is by leeching off someone else...hell! You recently told me you have a chance to pitch for X-Files (which again...how can I believe?)...what was the first thing you asked after that? You asked ME if I had any ideas for something you could pitch!!! ROTFLMAO!!! There are other people here you've probably asked too...why? Because you couldn't come up with anything yourself if a gun was to your head. You did the same thing with Earth 211 with an enormous amount of people.

Matt...save the innocent crap. A large deal of people here know better...and the rest will eventually learn whether I say anything or not. And you know it...that's the best part. Why else has your list of people to talk to IM dwindled? You like to blame them...but is it really everyone else's fault? You're running out of people who still talk to you that can make that argument, Matt...but then again, what do you care? You figure you bled all you could.

Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com

Okay...

Date: 5/31/2000
From: TemporalFlux

After all the shit Darkslider has done to myself and this community...I'm supposed to have lost something? Uhhhh...yeah, right. Gee, guess I'll have to find some one else who runs around telling people to drink their own pee for fun as a friend?! Guess I'll have to find someone else who kills me in every fan fic they write out of frienship? LOL! None of this stuff matches up to your actions.

These innocent acts are a laugh a minute...

Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com

Woah there, what should be done...

Date: 5/31/2000
From: Grizzlor

Listen fellas,

I've seen Spacetime's EP.com and it's obvious he met Cleavant and lives around LA. It's also quite possible that with the right amount of persistance and alot of luck, you might get in touch with someone in the "Biz", especially with email and the internet.

For Temporal Flux, and Spacetime and others, all of whom have websites with this hard to find Sliders information, after seeing them, I trust the stuff is legit. I mean, why and how would anybody actually waste time in order to fabricate scripts and timers and say they are the real thing? Only if you're really bored or if you're creative and artistic enough maybe to do it as a hobby and then you would say, hey, look what I made!!!!

To Spacetime, obviously you weren't making this annoucement unless you truly wanted to share the find with all of us. So I think we should all just wait and see what he's got and then comment.

The show bible would be of huge interest to me personally.

Again, how often do people come out with these announcements? Once every month or longer. I mean, when a fan spots something authentic on Sliders first hand, whether parifinalia or the cast and crew, that fan wants to tell people, and where else but the board.

Great find! <END>

Date: 6/1/2000
From: SlidersCentral

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