Can't
we all just get along (BBR) (NSR)
Date: 10/28/1999
From: HunterD_Raven
OK, sorry for useing that phrase in the post but i was reading the latest Exec/TF battle.
Now before i start i think very highly of TF, and have become more or less neutral on Exec.
However, to Exec, if you didn't want people saying you are cheering for sliders death then you should not have said you voted SFC was in the right to cancel it.
It is not that you voted, that is as much your right as it is ours too. HOWEVER, this board was about 99% trying to get it renewed, and those wanting it canceled (Cept for you) have left the board. It came across at the time, to me and many others as a direct slap in the face to us.
It was like going into wall street and then yelling you are a communist.
It was like going to a Metallica concert and then after the band stops. you got up on stage and yelled "Garth Brooks is better"
It's like going into the center of Harlem wearing a Nazi uniform and saying "Hitler was right"
Im not saying you believe any of those things, not saying you are a Nazi, a communist, or even worse a country music liker. But giving you parralls to what it seemed like.
In many eyes that post crossed the line from speaking your mind, to trying to start a fight.
It not only crossed the line from good taste to bad taste, it stomped on the line and crapped on it.
Don't worry i am not going to go Anti-Exec again, i am not going to jumpstart the AEL or such, i do not want to start another war.
But basically saying you weren't cheering for Sliders death after posting that post is like Fredirck Wertham (look it up) saying "i never had anything against Comic Books"
or like Farakhan saying "i have nothing against the jews" it seems like an exact contradiction.
Sorry if this comes off as an Anti-Exec rant, but if you don't want to hear people say you rooted for Sliders death, and you don't want to hear Blinker say you are "Weasleing out" again, then you shouldn't contradict yourself.
Like
The Beatles said....
Date: 10/28/1999
From: Fish_Bone
Give Peace a chance!Ps. At least we know Yoko Ono is not the reason Exec and TF
are fighting ;-)Fish Bone
adamcastillo@hotmail.com
>-)-)-)-('>
Nazis
and country music. Bleeech!! MORE
Date: 10/29/1999
From: Executive
Hunter, there are no contradictions here. I voted my conscience based on how awful (for the most part) the 5th season has been and I merely stated that for the record. On any other board I would NOT be attacked for doing so, nor have I been elsewhere.My vote was in the minority (about 7% at the time I voted, and not much higher afterwards) that the Sci-Fi Channel made the right decision to now renew production of SLIDERS. If you don't want to start another fight, that you shouldn't be making topics about a battle that you have nothing to do with (TF vs. Exec). More importantly you too have once again misrepresented what I said, as that's how this latest fight got started -- as usual.
I won't tell you not to be TF's friend, but ask yourself how you can respect a man who will invent anything to use against people he disagrees with because he thinks it will help him "win" an argument? If you go back to that topic (#10434) you'll see how Flux again screwed up with another
lie -- this one in regard to SLIDERS broadcast history on the FOX network!Other than that I agree with you and Fish_Bone. I don't want to fight, but if I keep seeing this shit initiated by TF and Blinker (who rudely brought up my name without cause in another thread) how do you expect it to end? If you really wanted to be neutral in this topic, Hunter, you would have also addressed the problems they are causing instead of just focusing on me.
THE EXECUTIVE
But
before you say anything, Hunter
Date: 10/29/1999
From: TemporalFlux
Make sure to read this response by Exec:http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/14217/7
Especially this paragraph:
"TF: You ARE the problem here! My intelligent, factual, and friendly responses in earlier topics to other people regarding what I thought of SLIDERS 4th season Vs. the 5th season as well as a brief overview of the ratings history did not need to be rudely attacked by you with false accusations."
LOL! How conceited is that? I think my responses to his "factual" information in these other topics speak for themselves. I mean, in one of his responses to an earlier ratings issue (his favorite - that ratings is the reason Sliders was cancelled this time), he basically told me that my conversations with Sci-Fi Execs were wrong because it didn't match his *opinion*. He's talked to no one!
Then there's the Fox ratings info I know you've seen...I mean, he's claiming that I'm weaseling out by referring back to something I *originally* said which Exec just ignored (i.e. the 5 years comment). I always love how he blames everyone else for *his* oversights. And in a broader sense...he was referring to shows over a 5 to 6 period past with the "death slot" in his first comment...but when he's corrected, he magically pulls new parameters out of his rear. This is hilarious!
The fact is that he just lumped Sliders in with shows like Brisco County Jr., Mantis, VR5, Strange Luck...all of which barely made it through their initial 13 ep order in the slot. Sliders went for *38* episodes in the 8 EST slot! Fox *almost* didn't cancel it after season three! Of course, I'm sure he'll tell me that my conversations with Fox Executives is wrong because it doesn't match his *opinion*. LOL!
Basically...I'm sick of Exec misleading people with his "opinion". He knows better. I mean...I don't believe my credentials are in question here...through my site I have proven that I *do* talk to these people. Not to mention other areas of proof (such as the season five synopsises I provided back in *July* that have all come to pass). There is no question that Exec knows I'm telling the truth...yet he persists with his *opinion* which is in blatant contradiction to *factual* information. *None* of this stuff I'm saying to him is my opinion...it was what I was *told* from the *people* who *do* this stuff. And I am sick and tired of watching this little man priss his ass out here and mislead people the way he is into utter confusion on the truth (look at SadSlidersFan's comments on Sliders cancellation...he *believed* it *was* due to ratings because of Executive until I said something. That's sad). Executive KNOWS BETTER.
I mean...you keep whatever view you want Hunter...but I personally don't see how anyone can be neutral towards a person who wantonly and malciously misleads people on a constant basis...leaving *us* to constantly clean up his crap. Obviously mine isn't the only viewpoint on this though...and this *is* open to opinion. But I believe he's done more than enough to show he is doing all of this with a substantial certainty that he *isn't* telling the facts.
Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com
Exec
Date: 10/29/1999
From: HunterD_Raven
Read your reply, so based on one of your sentances, if tommorow they canceld First Wave, and i went to that board and said "they did the right thing, the show sucked" That would be fine? I wouldn't be flamed?
First off i would not do that (i may say it here...but not on the FW board) That is basically what it translates too.
Am
I reading this right......?
Date: 10/29/1999
From: darkslider
I know, I know....Most of those who are going to read this are expecting me to comment nonsensically about this little war that has gone on for the same amount of time Exec has been wearing adult diapers. But, I'M NOT!! I'm not gonna talk about Exec's questionable Human lineage. I'm not going to talk about his fiasco that occurred when he joined those cross dressing sheep farmers who disguise themselves as Power Puff Girls. No sir, because THAT has no relevance. Does it Exec? NO SIR!! You idiotic, rejected-by-nature genes could NOT be a contributor to this problem.....nope. I'm actually here to analyze a little Ex-erpt from our friend Exec's latest attempt at communication:
I won't tell you not to be TF's friend, but ask yourself how you can respect a man who will invent anything to use against people he disagrees with because he thinks it will help him "win" an argument?
My question is to you, Daniel_2. What type of crack are you on, stud?? Am I the only one who sees the irony in this??But, I do have to give you credit, you TeleTubby extra. You certainly have done a number on HunterD. He sure has been de-clawed. I cannot believe that a founder of the AEL would be this close to kissing your ass and "respecting" your silly ass philosophy or your *ha* opinion. Bottom line-you'll get yours, Exec. I'm seeing personally to that. I'll bring to light your contradictory existence on this board, and the fact that the only one who needs to keep their mouth shut and their pants zipped up is YOU. God forbid that you should spawn.....eeeecchh...now THAT'S scary.
-darkslider
defender of the AEL and all around stud
TemporalFlux!!!
Date: 10/29/1999
From: buffyboy
Why do YOU still keep reading and replying to Exec's posts? I guess you're oblivious to the fact that by doing that, you're adding fuel to the fire. Why not skip Exec's posts? Pretend he isn't there. There can't be this continual fighting if one of you just stops reading or replying to the other's posts.BB=;~)--Just offering advice, although he knows he's gonna be flamed to hell for this.
About
Flux (and ignoring Darkslider)
Date: 10/29/1999
From: Executive
There he goes again! Even if TV executives would take the time to talk to a jerk like him is completely irrelevant. I tracked the ratings frequently enough in the press (USA Today and Variety when it was still on FOX) and on official web sites (including Sci-Fi Wire) to accurately cite how bad SLIDERS was doing -- first on FOX and then on the Sci-Fi Channel and that the ratings dropped far too often. Anybody else you did will see that everything I've been saying is true, and TEMPORAL FLUX KNOWS I AM CORRECT. He knows the real reason behind why the Sci-Fi Channel would claim their cancellation "SLIDERS has run its course" to be based primarily on the ratings, but he won't tell you that.Another of TF's many problems is that he cannot distinguish between facts and opinions. Funny thing, because nobody on other boards and the majority of people here don't seem to have that problem...
To
Buffyboy
Date: 10/29/1999
From: TemporalFlux
First off...read what Exec just said. He just told me that even if I *did* talk with Sci-Fi Execs...his opinion is more valuable and accurate than anything the people who actually run the business might say. Since when did Exec become an authority even over the people who actually had the intelligence, schooling and credentials to be in and run Sci-Fi Channel?As for why don't I just ignore? Who is going to fix his crap? You? I just tried ignoring Exec for awhile (he even noted it)...was any of his "down with Sliders" crap corrected? No. You don't ever do anything here but run around crying either because your feelings were hurt or your famous "Stop the fighting". And please tell me you think he's right...please show me the proof of how he would know something over the Sci-Fi Execs...please show me where he is even qualified to know how television works? I'm not either...but *I talk with people who are*.
And you ask yourself...why don't those who are connected with Sliders post here? They have in many cases in the past (not that many recently)...but under assumed names. But the general consensus amoung people in production is that it's a waste of time to talk to people who go to such great lengths to allow a 31 year old loser to say whatever he wants unchecked. Allow him to mislead so many people whom all of you never set straight. So there's your great boon...the people in control would talk to you too if you actually gave a damn about people finding out what *really* happened. But generally...you and many others only care about your *opinions* of what happened. To hell with reality.
So, why don't I just ignore? Because if I did, I would be allowing untold numbers of people to walk away with the crap a self absorbed man with feelings of inadequacy does to make his cruddy life just a little better...even if it's just stuff he is basically making up based on how much he thinks he knows. I personally can't live with that...not when I have the truth. And another reason? If I just ignored like the most of the rest of you do...the people from production wouldn't be talking to me and this information would be lost due to the general apathy. Most of the reason they talk to me (and mainly *just* me) is because I do give so much of a damn...and they figure I'm the only one who really cares to know. I've been told this point blank.
Does that clear things up for you, bystander? And I say that because as long as you hold the attitude you just told me to follow...that's all you'll be. A hopeless bystander.
Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com
Ignore
me all you want Exec...
Date: 10/29/1999
From: darkslider
becuase I speak the truth and you silly ass know it. You're tryig too hard to be something you're not. Namely-intelligent and informative. I find it odd that you bash me for making "lame jokes", yet you attack me with something Bazooka Joe used in the fifties...if you're gonna attack, at least use an arsenal that was used in this DECADE. But, I digress. I was merely stating that you asked how anyone could respect someone who lies and contradicts themselves so much? Hello!! Cletus, take a look around. You are the KING of such antics! That's whyI bash you, and will continue until you either change your ways, you move out of your Mom's basement, or you leave. I do not care what you think of my jokes. Frankly, if you don't get them(and I'd be DAMN surprised if you did, you still can;t make cereal on your own..), but I do care that you don't address my FACTS!! You, Daniel_2 lied, slandered, and conspired against many. You backstabbed teh show. In this posters opinion, you aren't worth the tick tac box you were concieved in....So, are you gonna debate, or throw more useless statements and ignore me?? Am I wrong about you? If so, why don't you ever dispute it???????-dark
Flux,
can you read??
Date: 10/30/1999
From: Executive
Apparently not, because I have stated time and time again (particularly in my previous post) as to where I get my Nielsen ratings info from: Variety newspaper and USA Today for broadcast ratings, and for basic cable I have also consulted the UltimateTV website and this site's Scifiwire as you know, and they all get theirs from Nielsen Media Research.Everyone on the bulletin boards I use know that the numbers I post are 100% correct, and how can say otherwise when you yourself have also relied on ScifiWire (for Sci-Fi Channel ratings) proves that you not only the biggest moron on two feet (OK, you're not as dumb as Darkslider), but you are too scared to face the truth that
====> TEMPORAL FLUX IS WRONG!!! <====
Original URL http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/14213
Nominated by Blinker
