It's
funny how things change (Nsr)
Date: 04/18/2000
From: HunterD_Raven
I was thinking, back at the start of S5, how things we're different.
The day S5 started we had TONS and TONS of new "Bungee" posters who came in to say "The Show sucks without Jerry,Cancel it"
"The OCs better be back"
or...the question that haunted this board for MONTHS "What happend to the OConnels?"
The board quickly became an all out war...back then i only "Didn't like" Jerry and would more or less only say "His acting in S4 wasn't that good"
EPT was the one REALLY going all out against JOC and the Bungee Jocnatics.
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It wasn't long after that it virtually develpod into a war, with 2 major groups.
The Pro-S5 and the Anti-S5 (Cause Jerry isn't in it)
Guys like TF,EPT,Scoobert,and me on the frontlines of the Pro-S5 movement....and the Bungee Jocnatics came and went so fast they didn't have a leader.
Back then i had yet to let loose a "Rant" i didn't use the terms "Roody Poo" or call myself "The Hunter"
In many ways i was just a generic poster, not much standing out about me.
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It's ironic now that i think about it.
I actually owe some of my current attitude and persona to the JOCnatics.
The first 6 or so rants where dedicated more or less exclusively to either JOC, or the JOCnatics.
I first used the term "Roody Poos" on the JOCnatics.
And that little clip from "The Rock" lead to my calling myself "The Hunter"
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I definately developed my skill in sarcasm by parody/MSTing a lot of JOCnatics posts.
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Infact i wonder what this entire board would be like if we hadn't gone through the "great War" back then.
I mean as bad as things have gotten lately it is still NOTHING compared to the early S5 days.
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So i must kind of admire JOC & his JOCnatics for helping change me to the outspoken pain in the ass i am today.
However,just for the record Admiration does not change my overall dislike...and i'd still love to use my steel toed boots to kick JOC between the legs so hard we'd NEVER have to worry about a "Jerry jr." and he could sing for the Vienna boys choir.The Hunter Has Spoken
The
L speaks out (SR)
Date: 04/18/2000
From: Le_Monde
You know, despite S's fanfare about my official position (as exemplified with his Dominion War series), I want to be a little more clear on this thingy.
The
L talks
Date: 04/18/2000
From: Le_Monde
You know, despite S's fanfare about my official position (as exemplified with his Dominion War series), I want to be a little more clear on this thingy.First off, I think JOC's acting in S1 and S2 was just fine. Not great, granted but not subpar either. Then in S3 it went downhill. Despite the total inconvenience of the loss of the Professor, the show was still able to go on its own momentum. The reason: JOC. JOC may not have been a great actor, and he might have shown contempt for the show, but he was the leader. He was the nerdy whiz kid that everyone wants to be who fell in love (or so we want to think) with the girl next door. He was the figurehead.
And you say, "What the f*ck is the importance of the figurehead?" It is everything. Without Joan of Arc the French could have never retaken Rheims for their king. She was a noted strategist, granted, but she was worth more to the King and to the history books as a figurehead.
Before some of you radicals go bananas on me, I'm not a JOC lover. I'm not a JOC hater either. Mr.OC was the heart of the show until season five when Cleavant Derricks took over and performed the task of the figurehead admirably. But you must remember that Rembrandt was never meant to be such a tacit leader for our sliders, and I'm sure the creators and producers of the early episodes never envisioned him that way. Nevertheless, Derricks' character underwent a transmogrification from season three to now, and we see the modern Rembrandt leading our sliders.
However, that does not change the fact that the figurehead role was meant for JOC. JOC (not to be confused with COC, whose acting has just began to improve) was the heart of the show, if I may stress so.
Before JOC, we had the loss of Wade and Arturo. When they left, we hadn't lost 1/2 of the Sliders. We lost all of them. They are like the essential organs: lose one and the rest are worthless.
Needless to say, I don't dislike season five for that reason. Season five was just fine. It had good acting, some good writing, good production even. So what's my problem you say? That was only half of it. The other half is who's there. Rembrandt was there, but he was changed, different. Not necessarily for the worst, but he was different. He became a leader when those who he grew to know and love finally departed. Rembrandt was meant to be the washed up singer, looking for a way back to his homeworld. But he became the hopeless leader, looking for a way to salve what little of his life that is left. Such was season five: finding a way around a hopeless situation.
Which is why I didn't like it.
Well, there! That was probably my first official rant! How do you like them apples, Hunter, S?LM
Goddammit
(read this one first)
Date: 04/18/2000
From: Le_Monde
Don't read my reply #1. Read #2.Sorry
LM
You
know
Date: 04/18/2000
From: HunterD_Raven
You're one of about 3 or so people who san say that without getting flamed.
ME, i'd much rather havea talented cast giving their all to play their parts like we had in S 1-2 and S5.
Than a cast half-assing and doing a pathetic job like we had in S4 and bulk of S3.
No matter who they play.
One series i've always wanted to do is a character i created who is a superhero called "Yin Yang Kid"
it basiclly follows him from about 17 and his emergance of his powers and his tryng to become a hero, to 21 and his death heroing.
Then if it was popular enough it goes into the lives of those around him. From freinds, to fellow heros, to the villians he fought.
But unlike most comic books he NEVER comes back.
To me it's not about the "Star" or the "LEader" or such.
it's about the characters as people, the lives they lead.
And we can have all of that without JOC.
Damn
Hunter
Date: 04/18/2000
From: Le_Monde
That's a great idea. I encourage you to do it. With the proper writing you'd kick f*cking ass.I have an idea similar for a novel. It doesn't have any central characters, and as it will be shown, people don't always win, sometimes they lose. Hence the title: "Winners & Losers"
LM
HUNTER!!!
Date: 04/19/2000
From: Informant
Why is it that nobody ever remembers Informant's actions against Jerry, Peckinpah, and the bungee posters?From what I remember, I was pretty loud about it. And still am about JOC... I am an unsung hero of our times.
:-)
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