TimerPrime
(NSR)
Date: 12/01/1999
From: TemporalFlux
I haven't dragged not involved people in like this in the past and I normally don't (as you know), but would you like to set the record straight concerning Bunky34?http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/15206/11
You have shown me several things concerning his behaviour...and now he says you are flat lying as basis to attack me some more. What do you have to say? This illusion of innocence he is giving has to end sometime and somewhere...don't let him get away with it and dupe this board.
Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com
Lying?
Date: 12/02/1999
From: Bunky34
I have never said that anyone is lying. I said in the post that I received positive responses from team mates in SIY.I am really disappointed in TF that he would try to drag other people into this dialogue.
TimerPrime did write positive things about me and to me during SIY.
TimerPrime also wrote e-mails to my personal account expressing a desire to work with me during various stages of SIY.
TimerPrime also told me that the section that I wrote of the final script was very good.
TimerPrime was a great leader during SIY and TimerPrime writes extremely good dialogue.
During the various writing stages, as with any team, TimerPrime's team faced various challenges that we had to overcome. Through patience and understanding, our team really worked well together.
TimerPrime's leadership was excellent during all of the stages of SIY.
It comes as a surprise that TimerPrime would share anything on the private bulleting board to another person. I can imagine one instance that this might happen.
Ironically, TimerPrime would tell me to not share any information from the private bulletin board prior to the final SIY voting. I followed her wishes to the TEE.
Finally, to TF, if your only "facts" come from the e-mails of a single person on the team, you only have one-fourth of the story. We had two other people on the team besides me.
In fact, I have received correspondence from a member on the team asking for my input on their fanfic.I only see my SIY team in the most positive of lights. I have never called anyone a liar or claimed any falsehood. Anything that I have written is the opinion of me. Opinions are not true are false because they may differ slightly.
TimerPrime has always been a good leader and stand up person. We have had some creative differences in the we work and some e-mails that needed to be cleared up along the way to creating our SIY script, but I think every team had to face these challenges as they worked within a group to create their SIY script.
My suggestion is that TF needs to ask the following questions:
Why would TimerPrime send you this information?
Why would this information be sent at the time it was sent?
Is the information correct -- ie can it be interpreted different?Is their another side to the story?
Are taking something out of context?
Does the information show a complete picture or just a snapshot of a single event from one person's perspective?
If you look at the Bible, Matthew, Mark, Luke and John all portray Jesus differently in the New Testament. Are they lying? Or are they just telling the events through their own eyes with their own sensitivities?
People can take a single event or series of events and interpret them wrong. My experience with my SIY team was so positive that wrods do not adequately express the respect that I have for each member of my team.
Sorry, TF. You can't take that away from me or change it in anyway.
Thanks,
Bunky34
Again
with one side
Date: 12/02/1999
From: TemporalFlux
Why is it that these questions you pose only apply to other people, Bunky? Have you asked any of those questions? For instance...how do you know when I got the information from TimerPrime? You condemn him for telling you not to release info from the board *before* voting was finished...when you don't even know if he gave me the info *after*. You condemn me without bothering to see if I have corroborated my statements concerning Sliders. In July I gave a complete list of season five episodes from one of my sources with complete sysnopsises for each. EACH one has come COMPLETELY to pass. Yet you have accussed me of having nothing to back up my statements...why? Because you didn't bother to ask...you saw only your side.I don't like pulling other people into this either...and I never do it. But when a sleazeball piece of crap comes along (whom people give the benefit of the doubt due to your lying), I get tired of watching you get away with it. The fact is, there was a post on your private Bboard by your team members mentioning how if they lost it was going to be because you didn't have the ability to keep from criticizing everyone and everything for no reason. In short, because you were being an asshole. I won't go into any other details...I will let Tp do that if he deems to get involved (and I wouldn't blame him if he doesn't).
In any case, I'm sure you'll cite some bit of Gaelic text to prove how truth is really false and you'll bring up more church work to show how you don't have to ask questions because you are divine. Spare us. I for one am well beyond sick of your nonsensical crap. But I guess we can thank the SIY people for another boon...bringing a piece of trash like you out of his hole and onto this board.
Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com
Tf
Date: 12/02/1999
From: QBall79
While you did post the entire synopses of each episode, I was the one who first revealed the complete episode list (in production order). No big deal though, we all forget every once in a while.Q-Ball79
http://go.to/SSN
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Tf, if you please
Date: 12/02/1999
From: Bunky34
I do not think it is very professional to have access to a snippet of a conversation on a private bulletin board and extrapolate what you think may have happened.Really, it is extremely unprofessional.
You could take alot out of context. And I mean alot!
I can still only tell you that my experience with TimerPrime and the rest of the group was extremely positive. Their response were positive despite what you say you have read.
Again, as in any group, we faced many problems in dealing with each other and our story. We all had different working styles and writing styles. We worked through our differences.
I find it very hard to imagine that one or two e-mails would give you an accurate account of our group dynamics or the issue we resolved during SIY.
If TimerPrime did show you a message from our private bulletin board, then I am extremely disappointed in her (an it is a HER not a HIM). At one point, the e-mail that you are referring to was sent only to me in private.
I do not think this one e-mail tells you anything about my character. I don't think our past conversations even tell you anything about my character.
I have tried to be kind and patient with you. I have apologized and asked for a truce, but you would NONE of that. People just need to read the SIY dialogue between the two of us.
I was trying to help you out, but you misinterpreted it (at every turn). TimerPrime did send me an e-mail talking about how she knew I was trying to help you out. Things just got WEIRD.
If you please, I apologize with every iota of my being. I hope we can either agree to disagree or just ignore each other in the future.
I am glad you don't want to drag TimerPrime into the middle of this discussion.
Thanks for your time,
Bunky34
More
Bunk
Date: 12/02/1999
From: TemporalFlux
First off to QBall...you're right. Sorry about that. I did corrobate what you found out, though and gave the synopsises which have been word for word. Sorry for any confusion though.As for Bunk. Truce? Where? Did I pull your bloated attacks into the recent debacle? I have left you alone...but you did not do the same. You have taken EVERY opportunity to "get a piece of me" (saying the whole time that you're trying to help me...I guess saying I had no writing talent was an attempt to help?). This "truce" is just more of your lies. If you truly wanted a truce...wouldn't you shut up? Haven't you noticed that I don't say anything to you unless you do to me? Only two explanations here...either you're too damn dumb to know better (which you are supposedly not) or you just don't care.
And again with your assumptions...did I say that snippet was all I was told? All I was shown? No...but you assumed it. I am sick and tired of your hypocritical crap. You believe that nothing applies to you. Are you divine? Are you a god? You seem to think so...who else is free from sin? You make me sick.
And what is it that I didn't understand here about you? There's nothing you can say to cover up for your actions. You just spout words...and then you *do* the complete opposite. I have been told by several people how much you are despised...if you want to deny it, then fine. But you know...no matter how much you lie to us, you know what was said to you. You know how many people have been on your case about the very things I've talked about. You know...and that's all that's needed. Disentegrate in your own guilt...and think of me. :-)
P.S. English majors should know that "He" is often used when you don't know the gender (and the way I was taught)...guess that Master's didn't pay off after all.
Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com
Truce
still, man
Date: 12/03/1999
From: Bunky34
Look, I am still calling for a truce here.As far English major not paying off, "He" can be used, but gender studies in English Literature often find the use of "He" as sexist.
In addition, gender studies also show us that referring to mankind is sexist when you can easily use a phrase like "the human race" or "humans" to say the same thing.
It is also sexist to refer to God as "He" because Adamah was creating in the image of God. Eve was taken from Adamah. Then, she was called woman and Adamah is referred to as man.
You can look at work of Spivak (not a Star Trek name) to further research gender studies. It might be interesting to see how a gender study of Sliders might change the way we view certain episodes and certain characters.
In one respect, the contrived nature of Quinn's love interest in Maggie and the resulting loss of Quinn's
conversations with Wade.Maggie's rough exterior in her initial episodes creates a conflicting feminine discourse in the Sliders as epsidoes. The result of this instability helps to understand why some viewers see the loss of Wade's conversations with Quinn as a loss of the feminine voice of Sliders.
Remember the world where women rules and the Professor ran for office. This episode speaks highly of the feminine issues of loss of voice in our society as the dominant male discourse tends to drown the voice of women.
You are correct in that the use of "He" is generally accepted by the dominant male discourse of our society. But, if you call your mother "sir", it still looks weird. TimerPrime is a "She," so I think "she" might like to be called according to her gender.
Dare I say that you to TF would not like to referred to as a "She" or "Her."
Anyway, the truce is still on. I appreciate your response on "He" because I think there are a number of ways they we can view certain episodes according to gender issues and literary theories, such as post-colonialism, deconstruction, modernism, Vorticism, Bryonic Romance, Greek Tragedy, Comedy of Errors, melodrama, and so on.
Thanks,
Bunky34
Truce
still, man part 2
Date: 12/03/1999
From: Bunky34
Listen, TF. I really want a truce here.A truce as defined by Webster is:
truce: a temporary cessation of warfare by agreement between two parties
A lack of acknowledgement by you is not a truce. Both parties have to agree to the truce.
A lack of response by one party does not create a cease-fire. Would you walk out onto a battlefield because the firing just stopped (not knowing if there was an official response from the other side)?
A truce exists when TWO parties agree to stop their war of words. I do, however, agree with you on one point: it does take two people to fight.
I think there are issues where we both just have a general disagreement. We can't all be friends!
We can be friendly, however.
I am still calling for a truce. Do you comply or do we just respect each others differences?
I respect you for your intimate knowledge of Sliders and the eforrts you take to dig up information.
I am not privy to the information sources that you have, but I have a knowledge base that is built upon analyzing stories in a completely different way than you. I am neither right or wrong, just different.
I hope we can focus on talking about Sliders without butting heads too much in the future.
Thanks,
Bunky34
WOW!
Date: 12/16/1999
From: TimerPrime
I can't believe what has been going on in my absence. I have not decided, yet, if I am going to reply. But, I am thinking about all of this.I don't usually like to get in the middle of things.
BTW, I don't really care if I am referred to as "he" or "she" and I don't need a gender lesson to decide. Most of my friends are men and I have never been into the usual girly stuff that many females are into. I was a tomboy. I climbed trees and played football with the guys in the neighborhood. I do the girly stuff because I have to, not because I enjoy it. Shaving, waxing, nail polish, pantyhose, high heels -- I hate it all. Good thing I'm naturally beautiful and don't need much makeup (haha)!
Anyway, back to business. I just don't know what to make of all this. We'll see what the next few days bring. Although, maybe by now, this is a dead issue and my presence will bring up all the unpleasantness again. I wouldn't want to do that.
Later...
TimerPrime
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