Date: 7/26/99
From: Executive

If it isn't because some people may be voting more than once, the only other possibility is that it may due to the fact that more people post on this board than any other (MST3K not included).

Either way don't flame me when I tell you that after voting only once, I was one of those 21% (currently) to choose "Absolutely" on the Sci-Fi Channel's decision to cancel the series. If a similar poll had been conducted last year to influence the channel's decision to renew after the 4th season ended, I would have voted in favor of renewal. But with the exception of "Please Press One" (which I liked even though it was conceptually nothing new for SLIDERS) the first one-third of this season has been disappointing overall, in my opinion. That's why I voted the way I did.

But in spite of the poll's favoring the new SLIDERS by more than 61%, who here believes that the Sci-Fi Channel execs will acutally reconsider their decision to not renew production of the show?



THE EXECUTIVE

And a third reason:

Date: 7/26/99
From: Executive

Some people have posted to save SLIDERS on some of the other Dominion bulletin boards, and mentioned the current Scifiwire poll as well.

This is nothing new...

Date: 7/26/99
From: TemporalFlux

Executive was heavily in favor of the cancellation of Sliders after season three on Fox. But you know what? He was the first to run cheering when news of Sliders being saved came up. In fact, he made a special post on the MCA board boasting about how glad he was that he had Sci-Fi Channel...this at a time when most members who fought to get Sliders saved *didn't* have Sci-Fi. I'm sure the same would happen here if word of a renewal came up.

I do find humorous Exec's reasoning though. The biggest laugh comes from reading how he blames the high traffic of this board for "the edge". Funny...I thought Exec was unfortunately a member of this high traffic board...yet he didn't vote in favor. I guess he even he doesn't count himself as part of the legitimate votes. The point...quantity does not denote viewpoint. Just because people know about the poll, does not mean they will vote affirmative. If anything, a higher number of people voting insures a more accurate result. And as for the message being spread to other boards...reinforces my point. The message is going out to varied people in both thought and background...thus a more true reading will be reached. Sorry they couldn't center the poll on a small outcropping of negative people, Exec...that seems to be what you are suggesting would be "fair".

I would also like to point out (as I have personally to *you* several times before) that you can't vote more than once on the poll at Sci-Fi Wire. A "mark" is placed on the browser that prohibits voting more than once (that's why you see the bar graphs after you vote - and are no longer offered the choices).

As for this poll affecting the Exec's decision...who knows? The only sure way *not* to affect the Exec's decision is to do nothing (which is what you have suggested time and again over the years). There have been several examples over the years of Execs reversing their decisions...one of those is even in Sliders history (Fox after season two - a fan writing campaign recinded a cancellation to give us season three).

So, Exec...let me personally thank you for your vote (not to mention your misinformation). I'm glad to see that you had not care one for the people who still enjoy the show...after all, you could just walk away and not watch the show anymore if you didn't enjoy it. But you don't. You see, those of us fighting for the show still enjoy it...we have no reason to move on (or do you leave things you enjoy?). But if *you* don't like it...then *why* are you still here? Why haven't you "moved on"? Do you have no where else to go? Nothing else in life you find enjoyable than what you have deemed "crap"? You and your ilk are truly the sad ones...for you hover over something you admittedly hate...all the time screaming to the people who enjoy it - "Move on!"

You see, your true enjoyment comes in destroying things for others...if that wasn't the case, then you wouldn't be here. You have no reason left to be here...other than that.

Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com

One gleam of hope, and he spits on it.

Date: 7/26/99
From: Blinker

Do tell... if you think there's no chance this poll will influence anything, *why did you bother to reply at all??*

In any case, thank you for taking the trouble to drive your own personal nail into Sliders' coffin. I'm sure the (cough, cough) ACTUAL FAN whose efforts you've just undone is proud of you.

Yeah, that *was* a flame. You richly deserved one.

Blinker 7>:-#

So I'm flamed anyway and Flux lies again

Date: 7/26/99
From: Executive

First of all, I * never * wanted to see SLIDERS cancelled before now. That is TF's own twisted intrepretation. What really happened is that based on the increasingly poor ratings on FOX's 3rd season (which I kept track of throughout 1996-97) I was predicting a cancellation as early as the fall. Anyone else who followed the ratings each week (and some did such as The Expert) could have seen it coming, and it did in May 1997. Temporal Flux was the one who actually was so insecure on renewal that in order to end our feud he put up a bet: If FOX cancelled the show he would leave the MCA NetForum forever so the rest of us could post in peace. If they didn't, then I would have to change my name! (I was more sympathetic to his crap back then, which is why I chose not to take the bet). But after Flux was proven wrong when FOX did cancel SLIDERS he called me a coward for not taking that bet, claiming that it was a 50/50 chance of me being right. I was disappointed in the FOX cancellation, but it's just a TV show and life goes on!

Second, since I have never been one to write letters to save a TV series -- ANY series, is no reason to condemn me. If initiating a letter-writing campaign is what you want to do, fine. I wish you the best of luck in that endeavor. At that time I said writing to FOX (and only to FOX) would never work and I was right.

And so the Sci-Fi Channel picked up the show... Now you know I enjoyed the 4th season to a great extent, but this year paled in comparison. Nothing anyone can say or do will change my opinion of what SLIDERS has since become -- and I am entitled to disagree with you on that!

So why do I continue to post? Because like any other series that I watch regularly, I stick with it to the end. I may not post about it as much but when I do I still like to talk about the show. I have no doubt that some of the remaining 12 episodes will be entertaining. I'm looking forward to this Friday's episode as well as "Requiem".

Poor Temporal Flux. He was wrong about so many things in the past (most recently with the ratings again -- see topic #6069). So why did he attack me in that post and this one? Because SLIDERS has been cancelled and his life is ruined, so he is taking his frustration out on me!


THE EXECUTIVE

Perfect example of what NOT to be ...

Date: 7/26/99
From: QUINN_MALL0RY

T H E

E X E C U T I V E

Not to flame you, executive, but I don't see what point there was to choose Absolutely, other than to make a point. I mean, if you don't like the show this season, shows can always get better. Compare the low quality of season 3 to season 4 ... You may not like season 5 (although many of us do!), except for Please Press One, but you might like a sixth season. Besides that, I've read that the later s5 episodes are much better than the earlier ones. There's the 20's episode, the pirate episode, the civil war episode, the upcoming episode that seems good, and many more.

You know, I don't know WHY I'm writing this post ... your negative vote was only a tiny fraction of a percentage point, it doesn't really matter. Still, don't try to be the negative BBoard poster.

you know

Date: 7/26/99
From: HunterD_Raven

I always thought TF & Blinker where exageratting how bad you where, but voting absolutely, you just proved just about everything they say is absol 'friggin' utly right & true.

I would flame you, but why bother, if you didn't like NGFO odds are you wouldn't understand half of what i say.

Listen up, Exec, and listen good:

Date: 7/26/99
From: Blinker

YES, you are entitled to your opinion of the fifth season.

NO, you are not entitled to block our efforts to obtain a sixth. Encouraging the Sci-Fi Channel in their cancellation decision is doing precisely that.

"FURTHURMORE", coming back here to rub our noses in your action was particularly crass.

Your disdain for our favourite television program's continued survival has been noted. Now go away.

Blinker 7>:-#

TF's memory is correct.

Date: 7/26/99
From: Kromagg1

I was also among those at the MCA board and yes, exec, you did voice how you thought Sliders would be best cancelled after season 3. You didn't go around telling everyone that it sucks or that you *wanted* it cancelled but you did think that it was in the best interest of the show to just end it before it gets worse. Then season 4 comes along which you say you like. I'll bet you're glad they didn't listen to you. Now you don't like season 5 and you're taking it to the extreme. If the pattern continues you'll like season 6 and forget that you campaigned for cancellation after season 5. Things *CAN* change between seasons. You hated 3 and was against a fourth but once it came, you liked it. Don't campaign against TV shows because there is always someone who likes it more than you hate it. *You* can always turn the TV off. *We* cannot watch new Sliders if it's not on anymore. Just walk away if you don't like it but don't campaign against it. That's like the question "What do you achieve or gain when you put down somebody?" Well, Exec... What do you achieve or gain when you put down Sliders? Does it give you a high? Make you feel cool? Make you feel more secure about yourself? In the words of Cosmo Kramer "If you think you can get to the top by knocking other people down, *Gooood Luck!"


Kro1

You know...

Date: 7/26/99
From: s_the_great

Exec, in the past, I've seen you get flamed to bits of bone and ash, and I never really knew or cared why. Now, I find out that you actually vote against renewing Sliders. Unlike most of the others here, I don't think you're an idiot. I just think it went against your better judgment. But it was really really stupid of you to come back here, to a PRO-SLIDERS BOARD, and tell all these fans that you had an indirect effect against their efforts to renew the show. I'm not going to flame you, but next time someone has an idea to save Sliders, don't tell people you're undermining their efforts. It's just a piece of advice, and I don't mean that in a sarcastic way.
Personally, I want Sliders to be saved, and you should too, if only because as of now, it ends in a cliffhanger. That in itself is an insult to all the five-year Sliders fans who've waited to see how this show would end.

S

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Date: 7/26/99
From: TemporalFlux

Why did Exec bring this up:

http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/9520

How was it related to any comments made by me or this topic? And if I may add...how did it back up the fact that he knows what he is talking about and that I'm a "liar" or "wrong"?

Exec's reason for coming here is to initiate and keep fights going. How else can anyone explain this behaviour?

Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://www.dimensionofcontinuity.com

About Exec's behavior...

Date: 7/26/99
From: slidefan

Looking at the situation, and at Executive, I see a person who is:
1) Strong-minded and individual
2) Unaware of his motives
3) Pessimist and serious
4) Seemingly doesn't care about other people's feelings or motives
5) Actually do care about being accepted by people, and about Sliders
6) Unattached and alienated from other people by his own doing
7) Wants to be unique

Putting together all of these things, you get exactly his behavior. It's rather simple: Exec is NOT an idiot. He know EXACTLY what he's doing... He knows he's gonna get flamed. He did think about it before. In his mind, looking "at the big picture" objectively is mature, while caring about something as simple as a TV show too much is childish, and he is not childish... So, he's coming here and is posting about the show, because he does care about it, but he doesn't want to care too much about it, to get attached to it, to act like the rest of us are acting- after all, it's just a show, and building your life around a show is childish... So he's convincing us and himself that he doesn't really care, that this is just a hobby, for fun, and that he is the mature one...
Objectively speaking- the show doesn't matter, he's right about that. It does not influence the "big picture", or our lives. It's just a show... So obsessing about it would be childish... Or would it????
There are people who "obsess" about their pets. There are people who "obsess" about art. There are people who "obsses" about their work. The human mind is not always logic...None of these things REALLY matter, objectively, but for that person- these things do matter, somehow, with no logical reason, they are just important to him.
"Obsessing" about Sliders is not childish, it is HUMAN. It is just the same as the above things, and to pretend it is childish is just arrogant and unenlightened.
But Mr. Exec, simply, wants to talk about the show without "obsessing" about it, so he deliberately goes the other way, to stop himself from "obsessing" about it: he's telling us how much the 5th season is bad, he's voting "Absolutely" in the poll, he's telling us to get a life...yet he continues watching Sliders and coming to this BBoard. He cares about the show in some level, he just doesn't care about us. And why should he care about us, or our feelings? Simply because we are human? Simply because we are in a hard position right now? No... Not in his mind. In his mind he wants to be accepted, to live up to his standards, to talk about the show and to be mature and objective...
BUT, Executive, you forgot one important thing- what about US? What about OUR feelings? What about what WE want?
Encouraging the cancellation of Sliders, putting down Sliders here and being arrogant towards us, HURTS us and UPSETS us. Think not only of YOU, but of US, before you make your next post...

Slidefan.

I can't tell you how happy I am...

Date: 7/26/99
From: SlidingThrough

...to know you'll be sticking with the show til the end, that you still think some of the upcoming eps actually have the potential to be entertaining and that you *won't* be giving up on this season. Whew, what a relief! <wipes tears of joy from her eyes>

Thank you so much, Exec, for opening my eyes to the truth. That it's really in our best interests to participate in the destruction of something we care about very much because...well, *you* don't care about it, so how could it be important? And to think, without your wisdom and divine guidance I may actually have said <gasp!> that SciFi was wrong to cancel the show and possibly helped bring about yet *another* unspeakable season. A season you would, of course, be forced to watch as the true fan you are, determined to stick with the show to the bitter end. Unlike all those *untrue* fans (fools!) who think <oh, the horror!> that the show could actually be worth continuing.

I owe you a debt of gratitude, Exec, for bringing me to my senses before I plunged straight into the abyss of ignorance I was heading for. What would we at this BBoard do without you??!!

ST

P.S. Yes, Exec, that *was* sarcasm...in case you were having trouble deciding.

blasphemy

Date: 7/26/99
From: emzee

Frankly, I am shocked by your bold statements, Exec.

I can understand nitpicking the series (even if we are kicking Sliders when it's down) because we all have to vent. I have enjoyed discussing the show with you in the past. It is fun to cleverly find the flaws and discuss them.

I can understand not wanting to go out of your way to write letters or send e-mails or participate in a boycott or whatever. Perhaps you are very busy with other things.

However, I can't understand going out of your way to cast a negative vote, with intent to ruin it for others. If you don't agree, you don't like something, why go out of your way to be negative toward it? Why not just walk on? As they say "it's no skin off your nose," why do you have to stick in your two negative cents worth only to ruin it for everyone else??????????????????????????????????? Why?

I am further disheartened by your callous remarks afterward. I thought you were a Sliders fan.

Now I see why people have been hard on you. You have asked for it, especially here and now.
MZ

Not exactly, guys...

Date: 7/27/99
From: Executive

I wasn't stepping on anybody's feet or stopping your efforts for renewal! All I did was state my reasons as to why I decided to vote against it. In the past several weeks I've explained why I believe SLIDERS has gone the tubes this year (so far) and it has nothing to do with the O' Connells leaving. One person can't make a difference, so don't expect that anything negative I've said about SLIDERS will in any way affect the Sci-Fi Channel's decision to reconsider. It's just my belief that they will not, in spite of the poll.

If I didn't care about you (that is, the majority of the board -- not including those people who have attacked me in the past for no reason) I would have gone the I_AM_SCI route and trashed the show and the board altogether. But I haven't done that, and I will not!

And if anyone doesn't like that, than it's your problem - not mine.

I explained this already...

Date: 7/27/99
From: Blinker

Sure, you can't *stop* us from mailing SFC in support of the series, but you can - and did - cheer them on in their decision to cancel. Guess what? That doesn't help. The odds are bad enough *without* you pitching in against us. As SpaceTime once tried to tell you, there are times when you should just keep your opinions to yourself.

"One person can't make a difference," huh? I would think if there was one lesson we could pick up from Sliders' explorations of alternate history, it would be that one person can make the largest of differences. For better... or for worse.

Anyway, it looks like you've made yourself another half dozen enemies. Maybe you could try another "Daniel_2" campaign and try to discredit us all at once... by spamming the board again, exactly as I_AM_SCIFI did. At least with him it wasn't a personal vendetta.

(BTW, you never did explain how Danbagel, who hardly knew you, managed to spell both "furthur" and "publically" in true Executive style. Your 'incredible coincidence' plea is looking increasingly feeble.)

Or perhaps you could pull another week-early "April Fool's" joke in which *you* lie to prove that someone *else* can be "argumentative"... gee, every trick you think of seems to backfire.

Have a nice day.

Blinker 7:-)

Nice job Ex!

Date: 7/29/99
From: The_Cynic

Yet again you've proven how capable you are of inciting a flame war through your desire to see fights and/or your gross stupidity.
You're the Jerry Springer of the Sliders board.

" I was disappointed in the FOX cancellation, but it's just a TV show and life goes on! "

If that is the case, then why vote against it? If it is just a tv show, then why is it so important to you that it be cancelled? This is where you are shown to be a troublemaker. Why step on the toes of those who want the show to be renewed? If YOU don't like the new show, don't watch it and leave the fans alone.

"Second, since I have never been one to write letters to save a TV series -- ANY series, is no reason to condemn me."

Nobody is mad about that, they're mad that YOU won't write to save a show, but you'll gladly vote on the internet to have the show
cancelled, thus hindering the efforts of those who want it. Again,
if it is just a TV show, as you state, you'd leave it alone and just stop watching. Come to that, it is baffling as to the reason why you'd feel some need to declare what you did on this board, a board comprising mostly of people who are fans and are trying to save the show. If you sabotage you're team's chances for victory, you sure as hell don't brag about it to them, regardless of the reason. Not unless you want to start a fight. Hmm, maybe there's something to that...

"If initiating a letter-writing campaign is what you want to do, fine. I wish you the best of luck in that endeavor. At that time I said writing to FOX (and only to FOX) would never work and I was right."

Even a moron like you can be right once in a while just by chance. Granted, letter campaigns helped saved it before (as with Season 1's
end). Your actions here are tantamount to sending mail telling the execs (the real ones, not the pathetic losers like yourself who only dream of having someone put them in a position of power because they can't get there on their own) to axe the show.

"And so the Sci-Fi Channel picked up the show... Now you know I enjoyed the 4th season to a great extent, "

And by your reasoning here, the show should have been cancelled after S3, in which case you never would have seen your precious S4.
On top of that, you didn't even contribute to the effort to get that
Season you liked so much, made. You just reaped the rewards of the true fans when all you did was sit on your fat ass telling people that the show would be cancelled and gloating when it happened. Now you've gone from doing nothing to actually opposing the fans, then wondering why people got mad. Wow, you are such a genius.

"but this year paled in comparison. Nothing anyone can say or do will change my opinion of what SLIDERS has since become -- and I am entitled to disagree with you on that!"

And S3 paled compared to S1 and S2, but as you yourself said, S4 was
enjoyable. This is the same thing, except now you are trying to have the show cancelled, even though you said "It is just a tv show."

"So why do I continue to post?"

I attribute it to some congenital mental deficiency, but it may just be that your parents dropped you on your head a lot when you were young.

"Because like any other series that I watch regularly, I stick with it to the end."

Even though you dislike it so much to vote for it to be cancelled?
Wow, that makes a lot of sense. *Non*sense, that is.



"I may not post about it as much but when I do I still like to talk about the show. I have no doubt that some of the remaining 12 episodes will be entertaining."

Even though you've declared that you hate what the show has become and should be cancelled? You can't even lie consistently, twit.

"I'm looking forward to this Friday's episode as well as
"Requiem". "

Which you are seeing due to the efforts of those who you are now helping thwart, and then declaring your stupidity on a public board
with a lot of devoted fans.

"Poor Temporal Flux. He was wrong about so many things in the past (most recently with the ratings again -- see topic #6069)."

While we're on the topic of being wrong, did you ever figure out where Tunguska was located? How about why Logan IS Quinn's double and that Quinn and Maggie were never boyfriend and girlfriend? TF contributes A LOT more positive material to this board than you and unlike you, can admit when he makes a mistake (and he makes mistakes far less often than with you Ex-Lax.)


"So why did he attack me in that post and this one? "

Because you actively opposed the fans of this board over "just a tv show" (which you shouldn't even care about), then flaunted your stupidity to everyone trying to save it. If someone told your future employer not to hire you because they didn't like you, would
you let that go? Doubtful, especially after seeing your behavior on this board (and every other one).


"Because SLIDERS has been cancelled and his life is ruined, so he is taking his frustration out on me!"

His life is ruined? Please. You really are stupid. The reason is obvious. You're hardly one to be declaring anyone's life hinges around tv. You are worse than THE CABLE GUY. Everything "reminds"
you of an episode of GUNSMOKE, WILD WILD WEST or some other such schlock from decades past. It's just like the time Leo McKern had a lobotomy... You are pathetic.

BTW, check out:

ULTIMATE ANTI EXEC POST
http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/8083/

ADDENDUM (I should probably add "Assistant to Dr Kevorkian" to the
list of Exec's Entrepreneurial ventures after this act)
http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/8083/8

more links of Ex Off Topic
http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/8599/10

Original URL http://www.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/9669
Nominated by Blinker