Sliders episode Survivor (round 12)
Date: 09/23/2002
From: DieselMickeyDolenz
Previously voted off (in order):
Season 1: Prince of Wails, The King is Back, The Weaker Sex, Fever, Summer of Love, Eggheads, Luck of the Draw
Season 2: El Sid, The Good, the Bad, and the Wealthy, Time Again and World, Love Gods, Greatfellas, In Dino Veritas, The Young and the Relentless, As Time Goes By, Season's Greedings, Obsession, Gillian of the Spirits
Season 3: The Breeder, Slither, The Exodus, Part II, The Dream Masters, This Slide of Paradise, Paradise Lost, Electric Twister Acid Test, Stoker, Sole Survivors, The Other Slide of Darkness, Desert Storm, The Last of Eden, State of the A.R.T., Dinoslide, The Fire Within, DragonSlide, The Exodus, Part I, Slide Like an Egyptian, The Prince of Slides, Rules of the Game, Murder Most Foul
Season 4: The Chasm, Data World, Genesis, Roads Taken, Revelations, California Reich, The Dying Fields, Mother and Child, Prophets and Loss, Virtual Slide, Net Worth, Common Ground, My Brother's Keeper, Way Out West, Just Say Yes, Slide by Wire, Asylum, The Alternateville Horror, Oh Brother, Where Art Thou?
Season 5: Easy Slider, The Great Work, Requiem, Heavy Metal, The Java Jive, Map of the Mind, Please Press One, The Seer, New Gods for Old, A Thousand Deaths, Strangers and Comrades, The Unstuck Man, Dust, A Current Affair, To Catch a Slider
The results from Round XI:
Season 1: On hold. The Pilot, parts I & II, remain.
Season 2
Invasion - 9
Into the Mystic - 7
Post-Traumatic Slide Syndrome - 3
Invasion is eliminated.
Season 3
Dead Man Sliding - 10
The Guardian - 8
Double Cross - 1
Dead Man Sliding is eliminated.
Season 4
Slidecage - 9
Lipschitz Live! - 7
World Killer - 3
Slidecage is eliminated.
Season 5
Eye of the Storm - 9
The Return of Maggie Beckett - 6
Applied Physics - 4
Eye of the Storm is eliminated.
For Round XII, choose from the following:
Season 1
The Pilot, part I
The Pilot, part II
Season 2
Into the Mystic
Post-Traumatic Slide Syndrome
Season 3
Double Cross
The Guardian
Season 4
World Killer
Lipschitz Live!
Season 5
Applied Physics
The Return of Maggie Beckett
Season 1 voting is back. This round will determine the final survivor from each season. The rules remain the same: Choose one episode from each season that you'd like to see *eliminated*. Ties will be settled by counting votes from previous rounds, if this does not produce a loser a runoff will be held. Voting will remain open until at least the afternoon of Monday, September 25.
Thanks for participating!
DMD
Now it gets tough
Date: 09/23/2002
From: sliderules
BT is very easy to hate.
.
Well, it's all come down to this. The final round here at Sliders Surviver. It's going to be tough deciding which ones will go, which ones will stay, but I think I'm up for the task. The question is: Are you? <POINTS>
Ummmmm.....
Season 1:
Pilot, Part 2
Well, the first hour of The Pilot sarted it all. While nothing beats Remy's Caddie flying out of the vortex, I think I liked Part 1 slightly more. henceforth, Part 2 gets voted off.
Season 2:
Into The Mystic
When given a choice between an epsiode where they made it home only to leave, and an episode where they thought they were home, I choose the one with the blur bridge. A classic episode indeed, it spawned the controversy of the ages: Which Arturo slid? So, that's why I'm voting off Into the Mystic.
Season 3:
The Guardian
I stuck up for Guardian all this time, but I knew the time would come when I'd have to vote this favorite off. Double Cross introduces the amazing Logan St. Claire, and how can you mess with that? Guardian, you'll always be in my heart, but I think I'll have to vote you off.
Season 4:
Lipshitz Live!
How this episode has lasted htis long amazes me. I mean, sure, it was funny. Sure, the acting wasn't all that bad for once. The thing is, this one episode ruined 13 episodes! If not for Lipschitz, Colin would have been revealed to be the traitor he should have been. So, Lipshitz, go take a cold shower, and try and forget about your defeat at the hands of World Killer.
Season 5:
The Return of Maggie Beckett
You know, this season was harder than I thought it would be. But, I honestly loved Applied Physics much too much to vote it off. The history altering plot, Diana's confusion and distraught nature over what she has done, it was just perfect. While Return of Maggie Beckett was enjoyable as well, the alien DNA subplot was a little hard to believe. So, Applies Physics, you are my Season 5 Survivor.
Well folks, it's been a pleasure. Here's hoping you all had fun doing this. I sure as hell did. It was tough, but fun. So, until Sliders Big Brother, seeya next time! ;-)
sliderules
"Lipschitz, ass talks."
My votes, they aren't a-changin'.
Date: 09/23/2002
From:
FogBoy
There's not much to change.
Season 1 - Pilot, part II (Luck of the Draw was my top S1 episode... alas)
Season 2 - Into the Mystic (sigh... Invasion is my favorite episode of this year)
Season 3 - Double Cross
Season 4 - World Killer (Because it's still not getting any better, folks. Hey, wait... how the holy hell did Lipschitz get this far, too?)
Season 5 - Applied Physics (I was hoping for New Gods in this one, but I can live without)
WHEW! That was close.
Date: 09/23/2002
From: The_Seer
BT is relieved too.
******
I was sweating bullets there for a while. Season 3 was going to come down to "Double Cross" and "Dead Man Sliding"? If it had come down to those two then I would have voted off "Double Cross" just to get back at those of you who voted against "The Guardian". I guess I won't have to do that now that it has survived.
Season 1 - "The Pilot, part I"
Most of the funniest (Remmy's interrogation, "People's Court", etc.) and heartfelt (Quinn's grief over Wade's apparent death and relief when he discovers it was her double, Remmy singing "Amazing Grace", etc.) scenes comes in part II so that's why I'm voting off part I.
Season 2 - "Into the Mystic"
This was a pretty good episode but the sloppy cliffhanger resolution (which obvioulsly is more FOX's fault than Torme's) kind of spoiled it a bit, plus there's just no beating "PTSS" as far as I'm concerned.
Season 3 - "Double Cross"
Okay, so I lied above (sort of). I'm not trying to vote off "Double Cross" for revenge anymore but I am voting it off simply because I like "The Guardian" a little more. So there!
Season 4 - "Lipschitz Live!"
One of the more entertaining episodes of Season 4 (and I don't often use the words "entertaining" and "Season 4" in the same sentence) but "World Killer", despite its flaws, has a superior plot.
Season 5 - "Applied Physics"
I was as eager as anyone else here to vote off Maggie episodes but "TROMB" was an episode that for once actually made me care about this character. Maybe some of you will snicker at this comment but I actually consider this Maggie's "Guardian" episode, one in which we are exposed to a side of the character that we never saw before and which makes us respect that character a little more than we might have in the past. "Applied Physics" was one of the better episodes of this season and I probably wouldn't have voted it off had it not been for "TROMB".
This is gonna hurt...
Date: 09/23/2002
From: Slider_Quinn21
I'd like to take it out on BT though...
S1-Pilot Pt.2
The second part of a two-parter is never as good. This is no exception. Although I'd put this episode alongside any other and it just might win. But how can you vote off the show that started it all?
S2-Into the Mystic
Not one of my favorite episodes. I'd have liked to see Invasion make it here to battle the great PTSS, but I guess that won't happen. I'm sure ItM would've been better if Torme got to play with it more, but its just not that great in its present form. However, the ending is classic...hands down.
But I'd have to quit writing fanfic if I tried to vote off PTSS. Besides the Pilot, no other episode spawned more fanfiction. Hell, Earth 214 wouldn't exist without it. I still have one PTSS slider on the group (you'd know what happened to the other if you read my work ;-) )
S3-Double Cross
This episode messed up Sliders in a lot of ways. The whole Los Angeles thing didn't work out very well, and I really consider this episode the beginning of the end. Because once they left SanFran, the magic started to go. Plus, the Guardian is just classic...
S4-Lipshitz Live!
Ironically one of my favorite episodes. It was the one that I first saw on Sci-Fi and I've liked it ever since. But it DID end the Kromagg Spy Arc and for that it must die.
Plus, World Killer gets better and better each time I see it...
S5-The Return of Maggie Beckett
I really liked "Applied Physics". I know a lot of people liked TROMB (me too), I just don't like the idea of aliens on Sliders. But it makes the Quantum Leap connection a little more fun.
Quinn
http://slidersweb.net/otherworlds/214
The end is near
Date: 09/23/2002
From: TemporalFlux
Tucks list behind said sign on bum's chest...
Season one - "The Pilot Part 2"
Season two - "Into the Mystic"
Season three - "The Guardian"
Season four - "Lipschitz Live!"
Season five - "The Return of Maggie Beckett"
Tf
temporalflux@hotmail.com
http://dimensionofcontinuity.com
I'm TM and you're....wait, who are you?
Date: 09/23/2002
From:
TMytheEpisodeSlayer
BT really wants to know. It has this condition...
That identification was for the benefit of Grizzlor, just in case he thinks I'm a "troll".
Season 1: The Pilot, Part II. This one is pretty silly, because it's like choosing between someone's torso or their legs. You can't have a whole person without both. Nonetheless I'm going with torso.
Season 2: Into the Mystic. Largely due to Recall's influence, I've refrained from voting for this ep thus far. Now that it's up against PTSS, it's third period English class, er, history.
Season 3: The Guardian. Hey, Quinn! Just tell your friends what happened originally! Yeesh.
Season 4: Lipschitz Live! IMHO, "World Killer" is the last of the great eps. It was clearly the best episode of Season Four, and so I think it should win that title.
Season 5: The Return of Maggie Beckett. It's the only episode with Maggie's name in the title. Isn't that enough?
ThomasMalthus
Late to the party
Date: 09/23/2002
From: Recall317
But willing to skew results.
S1: The Pilot is at war with itself?! Tough call seeing as the People's Court is in Part 2. But you can't beat the initial awe. Bye bye part 2.
S2: It kills me, but I have to vote off "Into the Mystic." I credit the rest of the board for keeping it here to the end though. Your taste is impeccable.
S3: I have these eps dead even in my memory. I'll stick with the sentimental favorite and vote off Double Cross.
S4: Lipschitz is out.
S5: It comes down to these two eps? I think there's a reason I don't bemoan the fact I haven't seen all of this season. But I have seen TROMB, and man did it suck. Later, TROMB.
R317
Oooooo... the final tally?
Date: 09/23/2002
From: MissingSliderRyan
BT loves to get knifed in the back. ;-)
Who said I couldn't change my voting pattern for the finale? >:-P
Season 1
The Pilot, part I
It's not even the right galaxy and the freaking Quinn with glasses scenario pissed me off for showing off that he's a genius since he has them. Wow, he never even used them again.
Season 2
Post-Traumatic Slide Syndrome
Please the Azure Golden Gate Bridge was ignored for that long? <rolls eyes>
MMM... Ryan. Tickles me that Into the Mystic lasted this long. Bwahahahaahaha.
Season 3
The Guardian
Little Quinn please go away, you're almost as irritating as THE BOY. Besides, I'd never vote against Logan. :-) Girl, rocks.
Season 4
World Killer
Down with Grunge Quinn, besides it's Rabbit Season!
Season 5
Applied Physics
Sorry, the Jiggle Me, Baby doll had a more interesting story though it had a cliched ending.
Thanks Eusti for posting this fun game and to you backstabbers, you know what's going to happen. >:-P
MSR
And the confrontations escalate...
Date: 09/23/2002
From:
Blinker
BT has no place in the Real World!!
Well, the finalists from S3-5 don't particularly surprise me, but the others certainly do. "Into the Mystic" beating out "Invasion," "As Time Goes By," and *especially* "El Sid"? Damn! And while the Pilot is stellar as a two-hour epic, an isolated half of it doesn't make a better episode than "Last Days" or "Luck of the Draw," IMHO.
SLIDER_QUINN21: Hold on! Weren't you the one who spent half the game trying to kill "Invasion" to save "PTSS"?
BLINKER: Oh... right.
Season One: "The Pilot, Part II"
Season Two: "Into the Mystic"
Season Three: "Double Cross" [This is going to be an interesting matchup. I'd give 2-1 odds in favour of DC surviving the round, but you never know.]
Season Four: "World Killer" [I know a lost cause when I see one... and then I vote to save it.]
Season Five: "Applied Physics" [Because (A) TROMB is da bomb, and (B) the 'world merger' as presented in 'Physics' is among the most ill-thought-out, baffling premises of all time.]
- Blinker 7:-0
http://slidersweb.net/blinker
Pssstttt. DMD...
Date: 09/23/2002
From: MissingSliderRyan
BT's confused as usual.
Voting will remain open until at least the afternoon of Monday, September 25.
Uh, it's Monday, Sept 23, 2001. Were you talking about 1995, 2000 or 2006 or somewhere else up or down the line? ;-) I think you need Sam to do some leaping for that.
Bwahahahahhaha that's what you get for voting against LOTD. >:-P
MSR
Palming the palm pilot of doom
Thrusters not fully firing....
Date: 09/23/2002
From: MissingSliderRyan
BT loves it when that happens.
Oooooo.... I've been time traveling because it's now 2002. ROFL.
If you can't laugh at yourself, how can you laugh at someone else? :-D
Moving her from the center of his chest
Catching him off guard by
Changing her position unexpectedly
Slipping off of him once again
Whimpering, frightened cries after hitting
Her head on her arm
Smiling and whispering comforting words
Moving her back to the middle
Bwahahahaha, that part of this scene is so freaking hilarious to me.
MissingSleepRyan
Well...
Date: 09/23/2002
From: Vigeant
Season 1
Pilot Part 2
Season 2
Into The Mystic (I love this episode, but it doesn't stand against PTSS)
Season 3
Double Cross (I was never a huge fan of this episode, sorry)
Season 4
Lipshitz Live! (I Love this episode, but World Killer is great)
Season 5
Return of Maggie Beckett (This one was always too melodramatic for me)
Vigeant
http://www.greenghoulie.com/humor
Penultimate
Date: 09/23/2002
From:
SpaceTime
Season 1
The Pilot, part II
Season 2
Post-Traumatic Slide Syndrome
Season 3
Double Cross
Season 4
World Killer
Season 5
The Return of Maggie Beckett
Peace,
Space
MSR, what's the deal?
Date: 09/23/2002
From: Slider_Quinn21
BT makes me so @$!%ing mad!!!!!!!!
You voted for ALL the episodes I wanted to save! Why, them's fighting words!!!!!
The whole group looks at sq21 and stares. "No, they're not," the BBoard says in unison.
"Oh," sq21 says, in a soft, squeaking voice, slowly backing up. "Carry on, then..."
Please don't kill me!!!!!
Quinn
http://slidersweb.net/otherworlds/214
WOOHOO! Blinker finally spoke through me!
Commentary great idea everyone!
Date: 09/23/2002
From: Grizzlor
Malthus, sorry, I don't what I was talking about the last round. I was just watching American Idol!!! Whoa...bo dum bum (drums).
Again, really cool of everyone to explain their choices, I found them great to read.
Season 1
Pilot Part II......I love the Remmy Peoole's Court part, and I feel it is the second best "episode", but like Recall said, the initial awe of the first part is unmatched. And Rembrandt's FACE when he sees the ice tornado is the absolute FUnniest moment in the show's history!!!
Season 2
Into the Mystic.....I am one of those who voted for this one to stay, even though it would get pummelled by PTSS. But I consider my voting to be sincere and I voted for the lesser ep. off each time. Invasion was good, but it was the concept that was good, not the episode. I though felt that Into the Mystic featured so much of what made the First season so great I had to keep it. Until now. PTSS just for the Arturo mystery is one as great as Who shot J.R. It was such a radical move by Torme and Co. that you just don't see on television.
Season 3
The Guardian......Like PTSS, Double Cross featured another idea so novel and intriguing I just couldn't vote it down. A double of Quinn, who is a woman! A villain to add to that! Unfortunately, Logan never appeared again, which sealed her magistry. IF she had come back, and not been very interesting, then Double Cross would have faded. As for The Guardian, I thought the interaction between Quinn and his younger self, and Quinn and Arturo was phenominal.
I am really twisted on this one, because The Guardian was a better episode, but Logan is so overwhelming. Just for the potential she could have brought to the show. In the Guardian I really thought that the Arturo dying and sick so he does all these crazy things was kind of stupid.
Hey DMD, we should have been able to vote on a Wild Card pick!!!! Each person puts in an episode that was voted off, and the one with the most votes gets a wild card pass to the final round. I would have loved to vote for the Guardian there, although a season one ep. would probably get the most anyway.
Season 4
Lipshitz Live!.....I thought this one was really entertaining. You had Colin being totally idiotic, but funny. And Quinn on the talk show was Classic. Great stuff. However, World Killer was the oddball of Season 4, like The Guardian or Double Cross for season 3. It was an episode that was in the tradition of the first 2 years, surrounded by many subpar episodes.
Season 5
Applied Physics....I so hated Peckinpah, Dial and Damron's idea of the merging and unstucking and all the nonsense. The season 5 plot arc was so annoying and horrible that I have tried to vote them all off....Unstuck Man, Applied Physics, Eye of the Storm, etc. The Seer was actually more decent because it gave at least the groundwork for a Final conclusion of the garbage. Return of Maggie Beckett probably won't win because so many people just hate Maggie. I'm not a Maggie lover either, but this episode at least was intriguing from a science fiction standpoint. I liked it, it was good. The alien thing was corny yet livable.
Thumbs down to this rubbish!!
Date: 09/23/2002
From: SL4ever
BT is all thumbs!! >:-#!!!!!!!!
I think it shows how weak the last two seasons were that I had to flip a coin to figure out which one to eliminate. Naaaaaaah, Quinn's hair in WK was reason enough for that one.
Season 1
The Pilot, part II
Season 2
Into the Mystic
Season 3
Double Cross
Season 4
World Killer
Season 5
Applied Physics
Da Sock's da only Serviver
Date: 09/23/2002
From: Ed_The_Sock
Get da h-e- double hockey sticks outta da sock's way BT!
Dat's right da sock don't care about eliminatin' episodes, da sock only cares aboput eliminatin' mooks! So bring on some mooks! Da sock needs ta burn somebody wit' da stogie!!!!!!
And just fer da record, if da sock was on an island wit' abuncha mooks, da sock would outlast alla dere mook arses!
Now get Da Sock a beer!
Ed The Sock
http://www.edthesock.com
SQ_21, Remember the Ivory Towers Hotel?
Date: 09/23/2002
From: MissingSliderRyan
BT never forgets the berets.
http://www.geocities.com/missingsliderryan/subrosa.html
>:-P
Now quit voting for the episodes I love. Quit it! Quit it! Quit it!
MSR
My vote...
Date: 09/23/2002
From: GhostWriter
in a timely fashion this round, and not at the last minute.
To comment or not to comment? Well since I've had a rough weekend, and I'm trying to save the brain for more important things. No comment will be provided. I'll just say cause I say these are the ones I feel should be gone.
Season 1: Pilot II
Season 2: Into The Mystic
Season 3: The Guardian
Season 4: Lipschitz Live!
Season 5: The Return of Maggie Beckett
Later,
GW
Correction, clarification, and votes
Date: 09/23/2002
From: DieselMickeyDolenz
Voting will remain open until at least the afternoon (Eastern Daylight Time) of Wednesday, September 25, 2002 AD (good enough, MSR? :-P).
This round will determine the survivor of each season. The next round we'll pit those five against each other and vote them out one at a time until only one remains.
Sticking with the classics from S1-3
Season One: The Pilot, part II
Season Two: Into the Mystic
Season Three: The Guardian (toughest call of the lot)
For S4 & S5, the most highly overrated episodes of the series...
Season Four: Lipschitz Live!
Season Five: The Return of HoMaggs Beckett
DMD
Y's vote
Date: 09/24/2002
From: Yeontoo
Season 1
The Pilot, part I
Season 2
Into the Mystic
Season 3
The Guardian
Season 4
Lipschitz Live!
Season 5
Applied Physics
bah, that was the best chance to...
Date: 09/24/2002
From:
Sabre_Edge
get rid of the Guardian.
Season 1: Pilot part 1
Season 2: Into the Mystic
Season 3: The GUARDIAN
Season 4: Lipschitz Live!
Season 5: Applied Physics
*goes and pouts in a corner seeing that Guardian is going to win*
Woohoo! In time still!
Date: 09/24/2002
From:
Slider_Sarah
I have broadband! Yay!
Season 1: Pilot Part 2
Season 2: Into The Mystic
Seaosn 3: Double Cross
Season 4: World Killer
Season 5: The Return of Maggie Beckett
Sarah.
Almost too late!
Date: 09/24/2002
From: SouthernSlider
BT's not late enough.
I can't believe my computer had to act ugly yesterday. Thank goodness for children who know what's going on and came to the rescue.
S1
Pilot II
S2
Into The Mystic
S3
The Guardian
S4
World Killer
S5
Applied Physics
SS
Wait, DMD. 2002 "AD"?
Date: 09/24/2002
From:
ThomasMalthus
BT causes attention deficit disorder.
*Now* you tell us.
<A grumbling TM throws out thousands of Hittite votes.>
ThomasMalthus
Here we goooooooo....
Date: 09/24/2002
From: KllyWlls
BT is a bag of stale bagel chips.
S1- The Pilot, part II
S2- Into the Mystic
S3- Double Cross
S4- World Killer
S5- The Return of Maggie Beckett
That was tough. Especially for season three...phew!
Later,
KW
my votes....
Date: 09/24/2002
From:
Slidemania
Season 1
"The Pilot - Part 2"
Why the hell would a world ruled by the Soviet Union speak ENGLISH?!
Season 2 -
"Post Traumatic Slide Syndrome"
Yes, the Which Arturo Is Which? concept is fascinating, but a lot of the episode is just poorly executed. "Into the Mystic" isn't my favorite from S2, but it still beats out "PTSS".
Season 3 -
"The Guardian"
"Double Cross" was the best of S3, and "The Guardian" was just plain boring. Hell, there were a couple of late-S3 Maggie episodes that were more watchable than "The Guardian"!
Season 4 -
"Lipschitz Live!"
Was it really necessary to make Alternate Colin use that horrid New York accent?! "World Killer" was also pretty lame, but survives my vote by default.
Season 5 -
"The Return of Maggie Beckett"
Sorry, but I gotta stand by my "Applied Physics"...best episode of the entire series. I moderately enjoyed "The Return of Maggie Beckett," but not even The Leader or Crazy Eddie could save it from noticeable moments of monotony.
My votes go to...
Date: 09/24/2002
From:
Robin14334
I want to vote off BT!
Hmmm, I haven't been around lately, and I have to wonder what you folks have been doing here... you voted off a lot of good episodes and kept some, uh, not so good ones...
S1: Pilot pt. 2
Honestly, I wouldn't have picked either of these as the best of season 1. Whoever said that together they're an awesome movie, but as stand alone eps they're not as good, was right on the money. Between the two, I think pt. 1 is better only because pt. 2 is more formulaic.
S2: Into the Mystic
I definitely didn't expect this one to get to the final 2. PTSS is definitely superior in my book.
S3: The Guardian
Finally! Two equally good episodes in the final two! I guess everyone really wanted to get rid of all the drivel season 3 produced. :-) Anyway, Logan kicks little Quinn's butt, so that's why I vote for this one.
S4: World Killer
So it ruined the cool Colin plotline, but I actually liked Lipschitz. So sue me. Besides, Quinn's hair in WK was REALLY bad.
S5: Applied Physics
I just liked TROMB much more than this one.
~Robin
My Votes:
Date: 09/24/2002
From: QuantumFluxLSV2
Season 1
The Pilot, part II
Season 2
Post-Traumatic Slide Syndrome
Season 3
Double Cross
Season 4
Lipschitz Live!
Season 5
The Return of Maggie Beckett
QFlux
LOL, MSR!
Date: 09/24/2002
From: Slider_Quinn21
I stand corrected... :-)
Quinn
http://slidersweb.net/otherworlds/214
;-) Slider_Quinn...
Date: 09/24/2002
From: MissingSliderRyan
BT loves being ambushed.
I knew you didn't forget that one. ;-) I really got to get cracking on that. grrrrrr....
MSR
Yes, DMD, clarified....
Date: 09/24/2002
From: MissingSliderRyan
BT's always in a state of confusion
.... as butter for lobster tails. Mmmmmm. LOL
You forgot to mention which world. ;-) Uh... that was Logan typing.
MSR
Voting is now closed
Date: 09/25/2002
From: DieselJeffProbst
before anyone can force a tie :P
Results to be posted soon.
DMD
Original URL http://bboard.scifi.com/bboard/browse.cgi/1/5/545/1502388
Nominated by Blinker
